ARTH101: Discussion Topic 3, The Artistic Process


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Continuing the discussion from ARTH101: Activities & Discussion:


What defines artistic skill and roles?
#3

I totally agree, to me art is a way of expressing my hidden thoughts that I can not otherwise express freely.


#4

Art is the way humans express themselves. The best artist I know have a combination between talent and practice, we all born with talents but nos all of us develop them.

In some antique cultures artist made paintings that served as praise, and they where recognized people in that cultures. greeks or aztecs.


#5

With the most part, I agree with the paragraph. However, artist still gain respect for their everyday creations with furniture, video game, and movie special effects designs.


#6

If we can’t say with total certainty what is art, is very difficult answer the question about who makes art.
Probably only the people. Animals and nature can do beautiful things, like a anthill or an borealis aurora, but these is not art.
Art is communication, expression, to share with others. I think that all people, if they try it, can make art, but not all the people have the same innate ability and skills. They can improve their skills with practice, but not all can achieve the same level.
Artist role change a lot in different societies. Two examples.

This image now is an artist object, probably the artist who made it thought more in its magical meening.

David painted this canvas in order to give support to the new regimen that arose in the revolution.


#7

I agree that art is a human practice. While other organisms can be lovely, I rarely see a bird’s foliage be used to comment on the sexist mating practices of his group.
I think art is used to explore the human condition, to challenge or express certain experiences that are intrinsically true of being a human being. Some of this has a historical or social context. I think art can be decorative or practical or both. I think it can be something shocking or charming.


#8

I fully agree with what is said regarding art being a human practice or endeavour. Although the wish to create beauty (personally I strongly associate art with beauty) might be considered instinctive, the process of creating art is not, as it needs the reflection of the human mind.


#9

Discussion 3 : The Artistic Process.

Who makes art? Do you think artists have innate ability or acquired skill (or both)?

Everyone can make art it is an innate ability that can be developed by passion or drive for expression. It mirrors our personality and our soul, cultural and religious backgrounds. Art is an expression of aesthetic thru forms may it be through literary works, music, and visual objects.

How do artist’s roles change with the different cultural considerations?

The Spolarium depicts the 19th century horror experience of the Filipinos. Juan Luna expressed his patriotism by painting one such masterpiece to enlighten the Filipinos out of oppression. This painting showed great impact and influence on the Filipino people, truly something that not all artists can possess.
Juan Luna produced works in the romantic and early impressionistic styles, achieving great recognition in Europe. The paintings of Juan Luna were the first Filipino works of art to become famous inside and outside the Philippines because of it’s meaning and significance.




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Who makes art? Do you think artists have innate ability or acquired skill (or both)? How do artist’s roles change with different cultural considerations? Support your answers with examples, and provide any links or images that help in your explanations.

Subject: Art makes art. People are art that was created by God to glorify Him and one of the ways to do that it is for the creations to create. Artist are given the gift to create art and with time and work they can acquire more skill. Artists roles change with the different culture considerations because they discover more ways to alter peoples views on how to look at everyday things. In Van Gogh’s painting of his bedroom, he took an ordinary scene and changed it to how he wanted people to see it.


#11

Art is a complex form of communication and not always easily accessible; it resonates with some, but not with others. Also, the ability to create art can be instinctive for some, and a labor for others. But this may depend on circumstances. There are those who discover a talent, quite by chance -such as through photography, or perhaps music,. Many of us may never know what talents and abilities we have until the appropriate opportunity comes our way.

Oh the other hand, many so-called talents may be attributable to ‘acquired’ or ‘learned skills’.


#12

Hi! Virgilia, my name is Terrie I discovered an artistic talent and that is Coloring Mandalas. Mandalas are like looking into a Kaliedoscope and seeing all the different images looking back at you. I did not know how blessed I was at coloring in Mandalas until I realizied how much stress while coloring it took away from me, and how meditating it was. Like Unit 1.1 Form and Content, form-the physical and visible characteristics inherent in works of art and content-the meaning we derive from them.

This Mandala gives me a happy feeling and is an abstract art-because of its use of strong color. This is why your post meant so much to me, you can find simple ways of expression of art whether its thru Mandalas like mine or “Crafts”, which I love to do also for example (painting by numbers).


#13

I was most interested to read your email, Terrie. Your Mandala is exquisite and your choice of colors epitomizes the inherent unity of the design. Since Mandalas represent unity, harmony and order, coloring in Mandalas must indeed feel like a form of meditation, as well as being intensely creative. That’s such a positive and life affirming concept. Thank you for sharing this with me.

I was recently listening to an interview with a young woman who was in outback Australia. After taking a photograph of a cattle drive she decided, on the spur of the moment, to join forces with the drovers. She spent 6 months with them, taking many photographs which later became not only a book but also a record of cattle droving in the Outback.


#14

I think we’re all blessed with gifts and talents and they will only get better if we use and develop them. I also think anyone can make art but it really depends on your idea of “art”. For example, Faris from Steins Gate could be viewed as art or as a sorry attempt at a drawing.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/steins-gate/images/e/e6/Faris_profile.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/270?cb=20141218054641

Looking at Greek art, it seems to mostly consist of statues and paintings, while african art consists of bright and warm coloured paintings. (the following image is from Amazing African Art)


#15

This is so true Virgilia. I think many people don’t realize that they have artistic talent until someone helps them to realize it. I recently taught middle school students in China and was amazed by the talent of so many of my students. Chinese are humble in general which perhaps exacerbated the self-realization of their talents. Perhaps many pre-conceived notions about who artists are and what art is also contributes to this issue.


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Discussion 2 – Artistic Process

Who makes art? Do you think artists have innate ability or acquired skill (or both)? How do artist’s roles change with different cultural considerations?

Reading the opening statement: “***The reality is that artists rely on a support network that includes family, friends, peers, industries, business and, in essence, the whole society they live in.***” for this section of the course really got me thinking. Three aspects (‘support network’, ‘family’, and ‘the whole society they live in’) really ring true.

Artists are both dependent on their respective support networks and are certainly influenced by the society they live in. Moreover, the statement “…artists rely on many different materials in order to realize their work,…”.

A remarkable example of this can be found in one important color used to paint one of the most important artistic artifact ever found – the Terra Cotta Warrior and that color is han purple (sometimes called Chinese purple).

This color was significant in two key aspects. Firstly, the color purple represented a very high level of status in Chinese society at that time. This could have been attributed to the fact that it was a very difficult color to produce given the available pigments used for paint at the time. Secondly, it was extremely difficult to manufacture. The original recipe to produce this particular color has been lost but scientists have gone to great lengths to both find its original properties as well as try to reproduce it. Some have even experimented its manufacture by extracting chemical compounds found in mussel or oyster shells at very miniscule quantities and have painfully discovered just how much raw material and labor would have been required to produce even small amounts of the dye.

One can wonder why so much trouble was taken to include this particular color to paint the works. Was it the menacing insistence of the one who ordered the works, namely the first emperor of China Qin Shi Huang? Or was it the artists who took it upon themselves to ensure that their creations were the best they could be? We may never know the answer. But the point is that artists or the process in which artworks are created will see no limits when the goal is unswerving.

A few other examples that come to mind when considering ‘family’ and societal influences’ can be found with the following cultural traditions of courtship.

Love spoons in 17th century in Wales

During the 17th century, young Welch men would offer love spoons they carved out of wood to announce their love interest in prospective mates. The intricately hand-carved wooden spoons were decorated with various symbols and were thus a means by which the young men could show their artistic talent. At the time, good woodworking prowess was in high regard and certainly in good favor of the potential father-in-law. Such a tradition represented a strong societal influence which influenced the art making process, even though this particular tradition has become passé.

Embroidered “Hebao” (荷包) Silk Pouches in Qing China

Similar to the courtship ritual of Welch Love Spoons, young Chinese women also sought to attract mates by demonstration of their artistic skill, namely with the creation of Hebao (荷包), or Embroidered Silk Pouches. These beautiful little pouches were intricately embroidered in silk thread and decorated with auspicious flowers, birds, human figures, or Chinese characters. Particularly during Qing dynasty, embroidery skills were highly praised and viewed in high regard when choosing a marriage partner. So once again, societal influences also seem to influence and motivate the Artistic Process.

The influence of Family

Finally, the third aspect I find particularly significant to the Artistic Process is that of family. Regardless of the work of art – whether a painting, sculpture, or performance – the influence of family is an inseparable component of the artist’s creative mood. It can directly or indirectly affect how the artist feels at the time the creative juices are flowing.

The famous Chinese violinist Lu Siqing (吕思清) perfectly embodied this very notion in a recent interview on CCTV. He said that his interpretation of any classic song changes throughout his career. The inspiration and emotion expressed for the same song was different when he was single, when he got married, and with the birth of his child. All these events have changed his views and how he interprets and expresses the music. The same kind of changes can easily be observed with many famous painters and other artists throughout their lifetime. We are in constant change and family is an integral part of such changes.

Dan Fournier, 2015-09-28


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Question: Who makes art? Do you think artists have innate ability or acquired skill (or both)? How do artist’s roles change with different cultural considerations? Support your answers with examples, and provide any links or images that help in your explanations.

Art is created by any human who wish to express emotion, or to purely “put images on paper”, if you understand that context. Artists use their ways to utilize raw energy to put into a passionate piece, like painting a fanstatic mural displaying virtues and culture of an entire people, for example (Figure 1) or simply doodling a dragon on notebook paper (Figure 2) as it looks “cool” or aesthically pleasing.

Diego Rivera, Pan American Unity (Figure 1)

Dragon Drawing (Figure 2)

I believe for the most part, having artistic values is a skill that is picked up over time, from learning from others or self-teaching. But, some people hold that skill so highly it seems they are gifted with it, and truly talented.

In addition, depending on an artists background, this can significantly change the work they produce, the subject it depicts, and lots of other factors. For instance, the artist Pablo Picasso developed a unique style from Cubism that is recognized still today.

Picasso, Les Demoiselles D’Avignon

However, the time period and location the artist is in can totally affect their art as well. In 1937, Picasso painted a mural-sized work in response to a totally devasting attack from German forces onto the village of Guernica. The Spanish Nationalists were being opposed from other different factions (like Socialists and Communists) that were trying to return Spain back to the golden age it once was. They recieved German support from Hitler, and air force dropped bombs on the village of Guernica. The mural itself depicts the horrifying events of that night: houses ransacked, animals running amuck, people being killed, all those horrors were the sole inspiration for Picasso’s creation.


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Another interesting color - Mummy Brown

I just came across this interesting article on how artists (even up to the mid 20th century) used a rich brown pigment produced from actual ground mummies. The website Ancient-Origins.net has an interesting article about this entitled ‘Mummy Brown – the 16th century paint made from ground up mummies’.

You could even purchase small bottles of Mummy Brown:

Fascinating!


#19

You make an interesting point, and I agree wholeheartedly. Since starting this course I have acquired considerable respect for not only for designers of utilitarian works but also for the pop artists who create murals, and pavement artists. I realize that I’d always assumed “art’ to be what is in fact “fine art” - which shows a total lack of confidence in being able to go outside those parameters. Now I see 'art” everywhere and anywhere - particularly as a form of communication. And not only do I see it, but I can also appreciate it’s contribution to the life of a town or city and community.


#20

Who makes art? Do you think artists have innate ability or acquired skill (or both)? How do artist’s roles change with different cultural considerations?

Art is for anyone to make. By that I’m not saying that anyone is making art that is essential to society, or even that all of it can be considered “good” art. I mean to say that anyone can express themselves in whatever medium they choose to, and it will always be a piece worth of thoughtful consideration, some more, some less.

Grab a piece of paper, it’s probably white isn’t it? Write on it, fold it, shape it, crumble it up between your hands, do whatever you want with it. Now imagine a child, isn’t it like a piece of white paper? Sure, it has inherited some traits from their ancestors, he may be whiter, or taller, or faster than other people, but his mind probably isn’t. I believe children are born with such powerful minds, that most of what they become is directly influenced by their environment, their education, their experience, etc. Maybe some of them are more intelligent in paper than others, but both sides have a tremendous potential to be great human beings, and in this case, to make great artistic pieces that challenge our customs and views of the world around us.

The way that culture and society shapes an artist’s view is such that we have no idea what it would have been like for them to exist in a different place, and experience another different culture. The first question I would ask myself would be: Would they still be artists? Probably, or probably not. Would they be as critical as today about everything that surrounds them? Would everything be enough for them to develop an artistic sense? We don’t know, and that’s the magic of this difference. The fact that take more consideration in Westerners is not a good thing for art, and one that makes it smaller, less inclusive, less prone to attract a wider audience.


#21

In my opinion Art is the reinterpretation of the world, and how this can change our vision about ourselves and the environment.